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Microsoft's lost that lovin' feelin'.

The Verge: Microsoft to ‘warn’ Windows 10 users not to install Chrome or Firefox.

theverge.com/2018/9/12/1785014

@thegibson The leap from here to just refusing to install is pretty narrow.

Why do people run Windows again?

@Shufei @thegibson The tentacles reach into businesses by infiltrating schools as early as possible. They almost give away the product to kids and get them used to the MS way

The end result is a fresh generation of adults not knowing anything else. The Internet is slowing this a bit

But on a technical front, the office tools really don’t have much competition. E.G. Excel and LibreOffice Calc can’t even be compared on equal footing

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@cypnk @TheGibson @Shufei I would love to know of any spreadsheet application nearly as capable as Excel, gosh.

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Office is what fuels their user base.

Defeat it, and they are just a cloud infrastructure company.

@Shadejackrabbit @Shufei @thegibson At this point, Excel has had a 2 decade head start in industry. Whole corporations still use it as a backend

Unless something else is 100% compatible and guaranteed to preserve content and formatting, I don’t see it being replaced with something else even if it’s as capable (which I don’t think exists either)

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I really like kde calligra. Kinda sad that kde has faded as I think calligra is the best foss office suite around.

Libreoffice feels bloated and tired in comparison.

But the underlying issue, I think is the power of large corps to give away and support their sht in critical domains like education.

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Thanks for this recommend, will check it out. Libreoffice suffices for most of my needs, though is a bit heavy, and worked fine for the small nonprofit I used to run. And that could be the wedge of it: the mentioned corner on the market is the business end? Complex use cases. Consumers could be weaned off it, perhaps, and sometimes are. A brushed up Excel killer might Wag the dog, as it were.

@cypnk @Shadejackrabbit @Shufei @TheGibson I think a lot of Excel's capabilities that are beyond LibreOffice Calc's mostly involve things that should probably be done in a database and not a spreadsheet program, but people do them anyway in Excel. I know we're guilty of plenty of that in our office.

Calc's approach might be actually be better in theory, but in the real world we don't want to re-do our entire process flow and retrain users, so we stick with MS Office despite my best efforts.

@bVork @Shadejackrabbit @Shufei @thegibson Oh totally. Excel folks probably don’t call themselves “programmers” but that’s exactly what they are

They’ve built all kinds of business logic into Excel (with encouragement from MS) and you basically get complicated DB functionality with lookup tables and such

To be fair though, people tend to use the tools they know